How the Dems can win in a red state

Here's a great article:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0412.sirota.html



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Nice article...
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:31:22 PM EST

The exception (none / 0)

that proves the rule: Red states have an agrarian civilization, blue states have an industrial civilization. The economic crisis which can break or heal this divide will be coming shortly.
by Paul Goodman on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:44:59 PM EST

Agrarian Red States (none / 0)

I live in a red state -- Colorado. It is no more an agricultural state than California or New York. Time to rethink the underlying premise?
Sweet is war to those who have not experienced it. (dulce bellum inexpertus) from Adagia by Desiderius Erasmus - 1515
by Herb La Tortue on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:22:36 AM EST
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And Colorado is a likely convert to Blue.
by Paul Goodman on Thu Dec 30, 2004 at 01:29:06 PM EST
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Rural vs. Urban (none / 0)

Because the Democratic Party is primarily an urban party, they have often trouble understanding rural issues or rural culture.

Guns are a problem in urban areas. Guns are a necessity in rural areas. Most rural people ARE pro-environment, but often times many primarily urban environmental groups have unwittingly pushed them into the arms of the polluters.

Despite the media's disdain for "class warfare", the message that the "big guy" is screwing the "little guy" works because the "little guy" knows its true. Small businessmen are a traditional Republican constituancy, but small businessmen and workers both have a lot of common interests economically. Health care for all would help workers get health care and take a burden off of small business that is considerably lighter for larger firms. Reigning in the big corporations would help smaller firms and workers.

Two years after they re-elected arch-conservative Jesse Helms for the last time, the good people of N.C. elected John Edwards. Because organized labor is so weak in NC, Edwards never actively courted the labor vote, yet he had a 96% AFL-CIO rating. He talked to the ordinary people in his state that most politicians ignored.

The Democrats need to be the party of ordinary Americans again. They need to be the party of Main St. over Wall St. They need to be the party that understands that the country should not be run exclusively for corporate profit. They need to run a campaign that touches so called "Red-America" deeper than the campaign of shallow prejudices run by the right-wing noise machine.

Fairly or unfairly, to a large degree John Kerry was a symbol of all that is wrong with the Democratic Party. They have gotten the image of a party of wealthy, liberal, northeastern intellectuals who are out of touch with those in the heartland, an image that, sadly, does have some truth to it. The Republicans did a great job in defining that image and the Democrats did little to stop them. The Democrats need to stop acting like Rockefeller Republicans and start acting like the party of the people again. Then they will, as Howard Dean said, win in Alabama, Wyoming, and South Carolina.

by wayward on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 09:57:13 PM EST

Small Business and Health Care (none / 0)

It's large businesses, not small ones, that have been most strongly in favor of a universal health insurance program, because the vast majority large ones offer health plans to their employees and retirees, but not all small ones do. Small businesses that don't offer health plans (or that just offer cheap barebones plans) to their employees don't want to pay the higher taxes required for universal health insurance.

If you go back and read accounts of the Clinton health care debacle of '93 and '94, large firms were on the fence about whether or not to support the Clinton plan; small firms were strongly against, and forced the business lobbying groups to come out against it.

by tgeraghty on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:34:36 PM EST
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That's stupid, because the way we have it now, we all pay more, one way or another. Small businesses especially pay much more than they would if the risk pool was larger. Plus, the way it is now, some people are trapped in jobs they don't like, and other, often older workers cant get new jobs because with the insurance situation as screwed up as it is, businesses avoid hiring older workers because of the health care cost. Thats a very bad situation.

If we have four more years of this, a lot of people are going to lose everything they have to the health care industry. (Health costs are the #1 reason most people who do declare bankrupcy)

by ultraworld on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:32:37 AM EST
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I hope I didn't give you the impression that I personally am against universal health care -- of course, from the social point of view, it is the way to go, for the reasons you cite.

But, from an individual firm's point of view, a small business that does not offer health insurance to its employees, or one that only offers the kind of plan that shifts much of the cost and risk onto employees (e.g. "savings account" plans; those with limited coverage and/or high deductibles) might not want to be forced to pay for a more generous universal health care plan, if it believes the taxes are higher than what it curently pays in premium subsidies (little or nothing).

by tgeraghty on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 03:05:57 AM EST
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The duck hunters (none / 0)

saved the wetlands for years down on the Mississippi delta.  Unfortunately, Trent Lott got a multimillion dollar plant that will soon drain them all off to soybean fields.
by zinc7 on Mon Dec 27, 2004 at 10:35:18 PM EST

Its the economy, stupid... (none / 0)

The Dems need to cut through all the GOP doublespeak with the clear message that they have much more of a grasp of what normal working Americans need on the all-important economic issues. They are for people, the GOP is for corporations, at the expense of people.

Also, the Dems need to cut through the lies about Bush's fake 'moral values' by pointing out the thousands of facts that show how hypocritical the GOP is. A good example is Bush's push to privatize Social Security. One good way to point out the problems with Bush's approach is to show how badly the privatization of Social Security-like programs has gone in Chile and Great Britain. Privatization favors the government and the financial services industry, not retirees. Especially now, with yields in the stock market being so low. (Dont expect them to go up, either, the US economy is mature, and millions of people will be retiring in a few years, taking their profits, which will drive stock market prices down.)

A worker in Chile retiring in 2004 under the privatization plan retires with less than half of what they would have gotten if Chile had sticked with their original defined benefit plan.

As far as National Security goes, I think we would be safer under a President who cared more about substance and less about appearances.

Plus, Bush is too friendly with the Saudis. With Osama BinLaden being the son of an old family friend, we DO need to be worried about this.

by ultraworld on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:27:07 AM EST

Schweitzer... (none / 0)

can now safely be called a rising star. I think he has shown that you don't have to sacrifice principles to win in a red state...you just need to paint yourself as a populist and the opposition as pandering.

I'd love to see him at least run for the nomination in '08 or '12. He's part of that winning formula: populist charismatic governor from red state. Never forget that formula.

by raginillinoian on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 01:37:11 AM EST

Missing the Point (none / 0)

Schweitzer won because he addressed the concerns of his citizens. This is the same reason behind the victories of people like Paul Wellstone, Jesse Ventura, John Hickenlooper, Ken Salazar, Tom Coburn, etc. It has nothing to do with Rural vs Urban. It has to do with the people. Too many political campaigns are run out of D.C. by "professionals". They are so engrossed in the power struggle that they don't bother to deal with what works for the people. The Democrats that win in red states and the Republicans that win in blue states know their citizens and address their concerns. If you want to win, be honest with your citizens and quick playing D.C. power games.
Sweet is war to those who have not experienced it. (dulce bellum inexpertus) from Adagia by Desiderius Erasmus - 1515
by Herb La Tortue on Tue Dec 28, 2004 at 10:47:39 AM EST


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