Being moderate is a loser

I already posted this a comment but I want everyone to see it. Sorry if this pisses you off that I'm posting it again.

What we have now is the Republicans moving to the right. Some Dems moving to the right. We must remember that we are leaving out 50 percent of the country that didn't vote. Why don't they vote? Because they feel they can't make a difference and are disillusioned  with the two party system which they feel is not looking out for them. If we present liberal policies that they can connect to then we can get this large segment of the population voting for us and creaming the Republicans.

 Plus, anyone who thinks that we lose by being liberal has disregarded the past two elections. Al Gore and George Bush had very similar ideas. Tax cuts, free trade, balancing the budget, pro-death penalty, pro-mandatory sentencing. Al gore didn't campaign on any universal healthcare system. He supported the failed war on drugs. He worded with Bill Clinton to cut funding for many social programs.

This year, we had John Kerry. Didn't talk about the envirement. Voted for the Patriot Act. Voted for the war. Pro-defense spending. Didn't run on universal healthcare. He voted for NAFTA and many other free trade agreements. He didn't advocate a pro-choice view enough during the second debate, instead giving the "I'm personally against it" crap. John Kerry was pro "war on terror."

Some people must be ignorant to think that we lost this election and in 2000 by being too liberal. Furthermore, all those senate seats we lost in the south, well all our candidates there were moderate/conservative Democrats. Then we have Barbara Boxer, Barack Obama and Russ Feingold who all shared tons of votes with Bush.



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can't agree on definition (none / 0)

Take a look at the thread discussing the definition of "moderate Dem".

There's some definitions I'm fine with saying "I'm mostly a moderate Dem" and others that I would not embrace.

So, it's kinda pointless to make a blanket statement about moderate Dems since we don't agree on who they are and what they stand for.

Although, the ones that preface there criticisms of other Dems by calling themselves "moderates" are mostly counterproductive and obnoxious.

Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 05:45:16 PM EST

Right on (none / 0)

I agree.  We cannot let ourselves be taken over by the DINO's like Roemer and Frost.  Dean for DNC!!!
Max Friedman
by Max Friedman on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 05:58:44 PM EST

I'm no loser (none / 0)

I'm no loser and I resent the implications?  Read my blog.  I believe in progressive causes.  However, I have to appeal to some conservatives if I run for office otherwise my state will forever go down the dark path.

How is Frost a DINO?  You have everyone at BOR defending him.  I'm not moving to the right.  I'm staying put.

The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 08:34:34 PM EST

Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

Frost is a DINO because he ran ads during his reelection campaign praising President Bush and portraying Teddy Kennedy as the kind of big, bad, liberal boogeyman. You know, the kind of stuff you'd expect from Tom DeLay. And now that he's lost that campaign and has joined the ranks of the unemployed, he wants to run the party whose members he smeared while cosying-up to the enemy.

He's not only a DINO, he's also a rampant hypocrite.

by craverguy on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 09:49:46 PM EST
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Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

Read the comments at BOR coming from people that claim to be progressives.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 11:13:57 PM EST
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Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

OK, I'll bite: what is BOR?
by craverguy on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 11:35:32 PM EST
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Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

Burnt Orange Report
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 11:39:40 PM EST
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Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

Actually, if anything, those guys seem to be defending Frost. The guy who actually writes the blog practically endorsed him and all of the people posting comments are talking about how unfair people are being towards poor, little Martin.
by craverguy on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 11:44:23 PM EST
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Re: I'm no loser (none / 0)

They're from Texas.  Greg has some comments on his site as well.
The Kentucky Democrat
by kydem on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 11:59:11 PM EST
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Moderate in spots is OK (none / 0)

It depends.

Some issues are off the table: Social Security, for example.  A Democrat is not a Democrat if he isn't willing to go down in flames defending Social Security.

On the other hand, both sides of the gun issue have good arguments, and it is an argument that has never gotten the full airing it deserves.  

Personally, I'm pro-gun, in the belief that an armed population keeps a government mindful.  

It is not wrong for a Democrat to be pro-gun.

I think the Democratic Party needs to get back to core, unifying progressive issues.  That's mean Social Security, universal health care, voting reform, anti-corruption platforms, fiscal responsibility, avoiding international entanglements.

by jcjcjc on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 10:46:06 PM EST


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